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	<title>Comments on: Shifting Google Gears to mobile</title>
	<link>http://youthcurry.mobiforumz.com/2008/03/04/shifting-google-gears-to-mobile/</link>
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	<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 18:09:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: noreply@blogger.com (Editor: Vasantrao Koparday)</title>
		<link>http://youthcurry.mobiforumz.com/2008/03/04/shifting-google-gears-to-mobile/#comment-528</link>
		<dc:creator>noreply@blogger.com (Editor: Vasantrao Koparday)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 10:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Brad,&lt;BR/&gt;I am waiting for google gears for my  Nokia.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Lost/stolen mobiles again.&lt;BR/&gt;I wonder how safe and feasible would the worker pools encryption of data be for symbian system.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I believe that Nokia has built in poor lock PIN code system. The data is vulnerable.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Regards,&lt;BR/&gt;Koparday</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Brad,<br />I am waiting for google gears for my  Nokia.</p>
<p>Lost/stolen mobiles again.<br />I wonder how safe and feasible would the worker pools encryption of data be for symbian system.</p>
<p>I believe that Nokia has built in poor lock PIN code system. The data is vulnerable.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />Koparday</p>
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		<title>By: noreply@blogger.com (Lawrence Chang)</title>
		<link>http://youthcurry.mobiforumz.com/2008/03/04/shifting-google-gears-to-mobile/#comment-529</link>
		<dc:creator>noreply@blogger.com (Lawrence Chang)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 01:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://youthcurry.mobiforumz.com/2008/03/04/shifting-google-gears-to-mobile/#comment-529</guid>
		<description>@mike, please submit a report on the &lt;A HREF="http://code.google.com/p/google-gears/issues/list " REL="nofollow"&gt;Google Gears issues list&lt;/A&gt; so we can follow up with you on this. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@mike, please submit a report on the <a HREF="http://code.google.com/p/google-gears/issues/list " REL="nofollow">Google Gears issues list</a> so we can follow up with you on this. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: noreply@blogger.com (mike)</title>
		<link>http://youthcurry.mobiforumz.com/2008/03/04/shifting-google-gears-to-mobile/#comment-530</link>
		<dc:creator>noreply@blogger.com (mike)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 02:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://youthcurry.mobiforumz.com/2008/03/04/shifting-google-gears-to-mobile/#comment-530</guid>
		<description>Google Gears for my mobile phone seems to have screwed up windows and i had to do a hard reboot clearing out all my data.  I have a Samsung i760 with Windows Mobile 6 CE OS 5.2.979 (Build 17233.0.1.1)&lt;BR/&gt;Processor ARM920T S3C2442.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google Gears for my mobile phone seems to have screwed up windows and i had to do a hard reboot clearing out all my data.  I have a Samsung i760 with Windows Mobile 6 CE OS 5.2.979 (Build 17233.0.1.1)<br />Processor ARM920T S3C2442.</p>
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		<title>By: noreply@blogger.com (halr9000)</title>
		<link>http://youthcurry.mobiforumz.com/2008/03/04/shifting-google-gears-to-mobile/#comment-531</link>
		<dc:creator>noreply@blogger.com (halr9000)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 23:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://youthcurry.mobiforumz.com/2008/03/04/shifting-google-gears-to-mobile/#comment-531</guid>
		<description>@sygyzy, check out the video linked to from &lt;A HREF="http://lifehacker.com/363483/google-gears-for-mobile-gives-offline-access-to-windows-mobile-users" REL="nofollow"&gt;Lifehacker&lt;/A&gt;, they do a good job explaining it.  I think that's the point though--you are not supposed to tell much difference.  The guy had to manually disconnect his data connection and even then there was no difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@sygyzy, check out the video linked to from <a HREF="http://lifehacker.com/363483/google-gears-for-mobile-gives-offline-access-to-windows-mobile-users" REL="nofollow">Lifehacker</a>, they do a good job explaining it.  I think that&#8217;s the point though&#8211;you are not supposed to tell much difference.  The guy had to manually disconnect his data connection and even then there was no difference.</p>
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		<title>By: noreply@blogger.com (sygyzy)</title>
		<link>http://youthcurry.mobiforumz.com/2008/03/04/shifting-google-gears-to-mobile/#comment-532</link>
		<dc:creator>noreply@blogger.com (sygyzy)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 22:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://youthcurry.mobiforumz.com/2008/03/04/shifting-google-gears-to-mobile/#comment-532</guid>
		<description>I know it's probably just me but I don't really find this announcement that clear. I have Gears installed on my web browsers (all three of them across diffrent systems) and I think it's a great idea for offline browsing (in particular, for Reader). I don't understand how this has been implemented for Mobile, though. I installed Gears of Mobile and then at the end, didn't know what to do with it. I visited Buxfer on my Mobile device. Cool, that works. Can't tell that it uses Gears or anything. It just worked as expected. What else works offline and how can it tell it's offline? It'd be cool if you can just mark yourself offline in case you may be connected to a tower with poor reception. What about Reader, Docs, etc for mobile? Does this mean I can read my RSS feeds without a data connection?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know it&#8217;s probably just me but I don&#8217;t really find this announcement that clear. I have Gears installed on my web browsers (all three of them across diffrent systems) and I think it&#8217;s a great idea for offline browsing (in particular, for Reader). I don&#8217;t understand how this has been implemented for Mobile, though. I installed Gears of Mobile and then at the end, didn&#8217;t know what to do with it. I visited Buxfer on my Mobile device. Cool, that works. Can&#8217;t tell that it uses Gears or anything. It just worked as expected. What else works offline and how can it tell it&#8217;s offline? It&#8217;d be cool if you can just mark yourself offline in case you may be connected to a tower with poor reception. What about Reader, Docs, etc for mobile? Does this mean I can read my RSS feeds without a data connection?</p>
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		<title>By: noreply@blogger.com (halr9000)</title>
		<link>http://youthcurry.mobiforumz.com/2008/03/04/shifting-google-gears-to-mobile/#comment-533</link>
		<dc:creator>noreply@blogger.com (halr9000)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 21:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://youthcurry.mobiforumz.com/2008/03/04/shifting-google-gears-to-mobile/#comment-533</guid>
		<description>@Brad, I don't disagree with your aims, they all sound good.  I just feel that native apps offer more and are for the most part, worth it.  I'm a big Gmail and Bloglines user, so I'm not a purist.  But it just doesn't always work, and it sorta feels like Gears is a shoehorn.  But--if anybody can make it work well, it's probably you guys.  :)&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;As far as carrier software, I suppose that only applies if your aim is to get things pre-installed when a handset is shipped.  Thereafter, the carrier has less control, and that control is only lessening as time goes on, thank God.  With few exceptions, Windows Mobile devices usually don't restrict "certified" application installs, although I know the capability is there and some carriers to try their darnedest.  That's what cooked ROMs are for.  :)&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;And as far as my connection goes...I can't say that I've ever noticed a data drop in the same way that you immediately notice voice drops.  Maybe Sprint's 3G data network inherently fares better than the voice connection, I don't know.  It has not been an issue to date, but I do live near a large metro (Atlanta).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Brad, I don&#8217;t disagree with your aims, they all sound good.  I just feel that native apps offer more and are for the most part, worth it.  I&#8217;m a big Gmail and Bloglines user, so I&#8217;m not a purist.  But it just doesn&#8217;t always work, and it sorta feels like Gears is a shoehorn.  But&#8211;if anybody can make it work well, it&#8217;s probably you guys.  <img src='http://youthcurry.mobiforumz.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>As far as carrier software, I suppose that only applies if your aim is to get things pre-installed when a handset is shipped.  Thereafter, the carrier has less control, and that control is only lessening as time goes on, thank God.  With few exceptions, Windows Mobile devices usually don&#8217;t restrict &#8220;certified&#8221; application installs, although I know the capability is there and some carriers to try their darnedest.  That&#8217;s what cooked ROMs are for.  <img src='http://youthcurry.mobiforumz.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>And as far as my connection goes&#8230;I can&#8217;t say that I&#8217;ve ever noticed a data drop in the same way that you immediately notice voice drops.  Maybe Sprint&#8217;s 3G data network inherently fares better than the voice connection, I don&#8217;t know.  It has not been an issue to date, but I do live near a large metro (Atlanta).</p>
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		<title>By: noreply@blogger.com (Brad Neuberg)</title>
		<link>http://youthcurry.mobiforumz.com/2008/03/04/shifting-google-gears-to-mobile/#comment-534</link>
		<dc:creator>noreply@blogger.com (Brad Neuberg)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 20:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://youthcurry.mobiforumz.com/2008/03/04/shifting-google-gears-to-mobile/#comment-534</guid>
		<description>Hi everyone, thanks for the nice comments on Google Gears for mobile. Individual responses below.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;@Giff: Good comments about stolen laptops and devices. I created something called Dojo SQL that encrypts and decrypts the data stored offline in Gears. Gears provides threads to JavaScript, so that you can do things like encryption without blocking the browser. These threads, called worker pools, are also on Google Gears for mobile, so someone could encrypt their data stored locally if they wanted to. I'd love to see someone do this with the new Windows Mobile release! Who wants to knock out a quick open source library to do this and put it on code.google.com?&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;@halr9000: Hi there. You raise two points: why add new abilities to mobile web apps rather than just make them native; and why is offline necessary on mobile devices?&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;For your first question, it is _much_ easier to create mobile web applications than native ones. The mobile space is very fragmented. Being able to create consistent mobile applications that are web-based (and use Gear's open source abilities to augment this with offline access, greater reliability, etc.) is much easier than creating many different native applications. Further, getting permission from carriers to install native apps is very difficult. Something like Google Gears for mobile makes it much easier for entrepreneurial firms like Buxfer and Zoho to innovate and get their software on mobile phones without having to get executive-level buy-in from carriers. Sure Google can get Google Maps native installed on mobile phones, but what about other companies? We should all be able to innovate in the mobile space.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;On the question of whether offline is useful on mobile phones, if I want my applications to be in the mobile browser than I need them to be available even with intermittent network connections. How often does your cellular connection drop? Mine drops alot.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;@Subodh: Google Reader is not tied into Google Gears for mobile yet. Good question.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Best,&lt;BR/&gt;  Brad Neuberg&lt;BR/&gt;  Google Gears</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi everyone, thanks for the nice comments on Google Gears for mobile. Individual responses below.</p>
<p>@Giff: Good comments about stolen laptops and devices. I created something called Dojo SQL that encrypts and decrypts the data stored offline in Gears. Gears provides threads to JavaScript, so that you can do things like encryption without blocking the browser. These threads, called worker pools, are also on Google Gears for mobile, so someone could encrypt their data stored locally if they wanted to. I&#8217;d love to see someone do this with the new Windows Mobile release! Who wants to knock out a quick open source library to do this and put it on code.google.com?</p>
<p>@halr9000: Hi there. You raise two points: why add new abilities to mobile web apps rather than just make them native; and why is offline necessary on mobile devices?</p>
<p>For your first question, it is _much_ easier to create mobile web applications than native ones. The mobile space is very fragmented. Being able to create consistent mobile applications that are web-based (and use Gear&#8217;s open source abilities to augment this with offline access, greater reliability, etc.) is much easier than creating many different native applications. Further, getting permission from carriers to install native apps is very difficult. Something like Google Gears for mobile makes it much easier for entrepreneurial firms like Buxfer and Zoho to innovate and get their software on mobile phones without having to get executive-level buy-in from carriers. Sure Google can get Google Maps native installed on mobile phones, but what about other companies? We should all be able to innovate in the mobile space.</p>
<p>On the question of whether offline is useful on mobile phones, if I want my applications to be in the mobile browser than I need them to be available even with intermittent network connections. How often does your cellular connection drop? Mine drops alot.</p>
<p>@Subodh: Google Reader is not tied into Google Gears for mobile yet. Good question.</p>
<p>Best,<br />  Brad Neuberg<br />  Google Gears</p>
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		<title>By: noreply@blogger.com (Subodh Gupta)</title>
		<link>http://youthcurry.mobiforumz.com/2008/03/04/shifting-google-gears-to-mobile/#comment-535</link>
		<dc:creator>noreply@blogger.com (Subodh Gupta)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 19:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://youthcurry.mobiforumz.com/2008/03/04/shifting-google-gears-to-mobile/#comment-535</guid>
		<description>So is it already enabled for Google reader?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So is it already enabled for Google reader?</p>
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		<title>By: noreply@blogger.com (halr9000)</title>
		<link>http://youthcurry.mobiforumz.com/2008/03/04/shifting-google-gears-to-mobile/#comment-536</link>
		<dc:creator>noreply@blogger.com (halr9000)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 14:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://youthcurry.mobiforumz.com/2008/03/04/shifting-google-gears-to-mobile/#comment-536</guid>
		<description>Maybe it's just me but I don't get it.  I think that this adds an unnecessary layer to what should be a native app experience rather than a web application.  You've already made Google Maps as a native app for Windows Mobile, why not continue in this vein for Mail and everything else?  Yes, I understand how Gears enables offline stuff for Google as well as for third parties, but offline is so last century.  Unlimited mobile data plans are pretty cheap (if you're with Sprint, anyway--come on other carriers!), there's no need for offline at all unless you live in the boonies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe it&#8217;s just me but I don&#8217;t get it.  I think that this adds an unnecessary layer to what should be a native app experience rather than a web application.  You&#8217;ve already made Google Maps as a native app for Windows Mobile, why not continue in this vein for Mail and everything else?  Yes, I understand how Gears enables offline stuff for Google as well as for third parties, but offline is so last century.  Unlimited mobile data plans are pretty cheap (if you&#8217;re with Sprint, anyway&#8211;come on other carriers!), there&#8217;s no need for offline at all unless you live in the boonies.</p>
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		<title>By: noreply@blogger.com (Tommy Freestyle)</title>
		<link>http://youthcurry.mobiforumz.com/2008/03/04/shifting-google-gears-to-mobile/#comment-537</link>
		<dc:creator>noreply@blogger.com (Tommy Freestyle)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 14:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://youthcurry.mobiforumz.com/2008/03/04/shifting-google-gears-to-mobile/#comment-537</guid>
		<description>Not to be that guy, but would this include the iPhone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to be that guy, but would this include the iPhone?</p>
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